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Tips on Choosing a Yeshiva Ketana
by R' Shlomo Kory

For many of us who grew up in chutz la'aretz, the difference in the educational systems of our old countries and what we have here may be confusing. This seems to be particularly true in choosing a yeshiva ketana, since many parents have turned to Project Tvunot for advice and guidance in this matter.

I once heard a story about an inexperienced new father about to bring his first newborn child home from the hospital. "What time should we wake up the little fellow in the morning?" he innocently asked the nurse who was checking them out.

Life can have its rude awakenings. The purpose of this article is to offer some explanation about how to go about choosing the right yeshiva ketana for your son so that you can avoid such rude awakenings. [Ed. Many of these suggestions apply equally to girls choosing a high school.]

Any of the following suggestions will help you to make a more accurate decision. Ideally, try to do all or most of them.

Attitude

One of the biggest mistakes people make is that they shop for a `good' yeshiva ketana. Don't look for `good;' look for `mat'im,' that is, suitable or appropriate. What may be good for your friend's child may be devastating for yours.

Having the attitude that "all of the yeshivos are good for certain children but we are looking for what is right for our son" will help you find the ones that are suitable for you. Going to a `top' yeshiva will not necessarily make your child into a bigger talmid chochom. It might even be too much pressure for him.

Having this attitude from the outset and expressing it to your child can also make him happier about going to a less prestigious yeshiva. And, his being at peace with wherever he goes can do a lot for how he performs there. If he feels that he got shortchanged, he may start off on the wrong foot.

Whenever your son says something like, "Yeshiva so-and- so is not such a good yeshiva," you can say something like, "The question is not which yeshivos are `good,' rather, which are good for you. You will best realize your potential in those yeshivos that are suited to you." Being consistent and gently persistent with this attitude can be a tremendous help if he does not get accepted into his first choice. You can then repeat to him the idea that the yeshivos that accepted him are mat'im for him and that he can really grow there.

Consulting With Your Son's Rebbe

You should have visited your son's Rebbe somewhere in the beginning of the year and be acquainted with him by now. Make an appointment to discuss this important topic since he should be familiar with the various yeshivos and can give you direction as to what is appropriate for your son.

Be aware that many chadorim and botei sefer have connections with certain yeshivos ketanos. These will take only a specified number of boys from your son's institution every year.

The question you want to ask the Rebbe is, "Which yeshiva is most appropriate for our son?" If you did this earlier in the year, he may have told you to come back after Pesach. Try to get some ideas from him so that you can investigate on your own. Ask the Rebbe for the names of parents from the last couple of years whose children attend the yeshivos he recommends. Phone them and ask them for their impressions. This is to give you a general idea about the yeshiva. If you want, you can ask them for additional names and then call these people. You may find out that you have acquaintances whose children are learning in these yeshivos.

People's experiences will vary, so take everything you hear with a grain of salt, both the good and the bad. Nevertheless, this will give you an idea of the atmosphere of the yeshiva, the kind of boys who go there, how much pressure there is, the size of the shiur etc.

The people you call may know of other yeshivos that your son's Rebbe is not familiar with. New yeshivos/seminaries open every year! You might look into some of these and then discuss them with your son's Rebbe.

Visit the Yeshivos

Go down and visit the yeshivos that sound like possibilities. Some people will ask, "What can I really see by just spending a few minutes there?" The answer is that you can learn a lot of valuable information. Find out when the boys are learning in the beis midrash and go there, sit down for 15-20 minutes with a sefer and observe.

You will be able to see how the yeshiva looks. Sometimes the physical setting can be a consideration, especially if it is negative. What kind of boys are learning there? You may see children whose parents you know and you can then speak to the parents. You can see who some of the Rebbes are. If possible, meet the Shiur Alef Rebbe or the mashgiach. These are the two people with whom your son will be spending most of his time the first year. You can introduce yourself and tell them that your son's Rebbe recommended this yeshiva and that you are looking into it for your son. Usually, the late morning is a good time to meet the Shiur Alef Rebbe since it is after the shiur and he is in the beis midrash to help the boys review. Usually, the mashgiach and the afternoon Rebbe are there during the late afternoon hours.

The question you should ask yourself when visiting the yeshiva is, "Will my son really be able to grow here?"

Consider making a second visit to those yeshivas that seemed most appropriate to you. Besides helping you to double check your impressions, there is an additional side benefit. Assuming that you have met one or more of the Rebbes, your going down there shows them that you are seriously interested in their yeshiva. You can even tell them that you came down a second time because you think that this yeshiva is good for your son and that you want to check it out once more. They will relate to you differently when they see your application (assuming that your son is the kind of boy they are looking for).

Preparing Your Son

One of the requirements for entrance into a yeshiva ketana is an oral exam on a few pages of the gemora that your son will be learning. Usually, the Rebbe prepares the students for this in class. It is common to hire a private tutor to help your son prepare and his Rebbe probably knows the names of avreichim that he can recommend. Generally, 45- minute sessions a few times a week is right for most boys but since this varies from child to child, it is worthwhile to discuss it with your son's Rebbe. Plan to start right when they begin reviewing the material.

You Take Responsibility

The extent to which different chadorim and botei sefer actively participate in helping you get in to yeshiva ketana varies greatly. Some take a lot of responsibility and some take very little. Find out how much your son's takes. Ask the Rebbe and ask parents whose son graduated the year before. Ask at least two or three parents. Don't rely on one parent's experience.

Whether they help a lot or a little, be ready to take responsibilty for carrying everything out. The application and acceptance procedures may not be as standardized as we are used to from `the old country.' You must take the initiative to be in contact with the Rebbe and the yeshivos whenever necessary. It is a very busy time and it is unreasonable to expect the Rebbe or the yeshiva to keep track of all of the details. I personally know a Rebbe who designates a special phone number only for discussing yeshiva ketana matters for the period before and during the exam season.

Make sure to speak to several other parents to find out about their experiences and familiarize yourself with how things run. This is one time that you do not want to have a rude awakening!

Every year there are unfortunate stories. A family whose son was accepted failed to respond within the time period the yeshiva allotted. Then, after it was too late, they found out that the place had not been held for him. In another story, a child had been accepted but the yeshiva did not inform the parents because they expected the parents to call them and they also lost their place in the yeshiva. In a third story, the parents had told the Rebbe that a certain yeshiva was their first choice, but through a misunderstanding, he did not tell this to the yeshiva and the child was not accepted.

The purpose in telling you these stories is not to scare you. Rather, it is to illustrate that when parents assume the responsibility, incidents like these can be avoided.

Some Closing Thoughts

Keep in mind that although it is possible to switch yeshivos, it is not always easy. It is much better to put in the extra effort beforehand to ensure that you make as accurate a decision as possible. Hopefully, these tips will make this simple for you.

And one more thought... The Chofetz Chaim suggests a special prayer for fathers and mothers to say. You can look it up in Mishnah Brurah vol. I, in Hilchos Bircas HaTorah, siman 47, s'k 10.

Wishing you much nachas and success!

 

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